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[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]ultraviolentcolorblind opened chat: bayesians   → tonight's topic for discussion is immortality, & the human expansion to space   → we now know through prodigious research the cause of aging. there are treatments right now that allow for the prevention of the degradation of the teleomeres that make us grow older. the question at hand this evening, therefore, is: why aren't we using this to prevent massive loss of life?   → the answer is simple, in my opinion. overpopulation. which is why we ought to be expanding to space, going out to all those unpopulated planets in the universe and making them ours. perhaps even colonizing the ones here. there is plasticene to prevent burns on mercury; there is magnetic technology to keep us from being pulled into jupiter's core. if nothing else the moon is stable and close enough that we ought to be going forth to at least set up a permanent base, and yet, we do not.   → please don't believe i'm proposing full-out paranoia, or that the government is trying to kill us.   → i'm only proposing that perhaps, if we were to focus more on astrophysics and aeronautics, we might soon be able to stop planning for our inevitable doom, and begin choosing where in the universe we want to be when the sun explodes.   → so i'll open the floor for discussion at this time.   → anyone?[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]

[BRYONY COLLINS]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=style, width:300px; padding: 05px;][STYLE= background: url(http://i50.tinypic.com/2lks6mf.jpg); width: 100px; height: 100px; float: right; border-top-left-radius: 40px; border-bottom-right-radius: 40px; border-top: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-right: 25px;][/style][STYLE= width: 150px; font-fam: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; overflow: auto; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-left: 30px; text-indent: 05px; margin-top: 10px; line-height: 80%;]bite_me SAYS,[/style][STYLE= width: 180px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; margin-left: -10px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px;]• this fascinates me. • you make several good points and i agree with them all. with the available treatments already found and the ones that will be found in the following years why can't us as humans prevent the aging process and gain even more years on this planet, or on others as you are suggesting we do. overpopulation is a major threat, and would only become a bigger one if our aging was slowed or even halted. which is why i agree, if we expanded to such places as the moon and went about slowing our aging considerably or even ceasing it as a whole then we would have a solution. there would be no overpopulation on a single planet- at least not right away, and no mass panic. several of our problems would be solved and perhaps the world- or rather the universe- could finally start becoming something greater as destiny might just have it be if such advancements were made. to think of the possibilities that could be accomplished with the success of just one of these acts let alone both, how much more of our planets problems could be fixed. what a beautiful butterfly effect it would set off. as always there would be consequences and new problems shall as they always do arise, some possibly worse than what we are already facing, so i am wondering if the pro's outweigh the cons or if it is the other way around. • either way, we, our government, does not seem to be making any real attempts to go about either of what you've proposed. the government seems to be against us, doesn't it. we are suppose to look to them and wait around for our inevitable doom while they go about striking war at every corner instead of massing their focus onto one similar goal that would benefit all. but what else can we do? i am not apart of the government and i am assuming that you are not as well, and even if we were no one person could have the power to go about such a grand thing. what are we civilians suppose to do but go on about our earth's many problems in online chat rooms. • alas, i have strayed and rambled in the boredom that i am experiencing tonight. moving back to the original topic and saying in a much simpler form; i am with you completely. [/style][STYLE= text-align: center; width: 160px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px;] MADE BY CYANIDE CANDY ✖[/style]

[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]  → i had hoped you would, bite_me.   → we've learned so much in the last thousand years. gone from horses to automobiles. computers now are nothing like what they were in the fifties--i don't see any reason why medical treatment couldn't make a bigger jump   → but that's besides the point. it's hard to debate someone who agrees with you i suppose   → other than to say, i think that we are quite possibly being held back   → that you're right in that what we're missing, the biggest thing, is power. we don't have access to the types of power that can make this happen, at least, not right now.   → although...   → oh, nevermind.[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]

[BRYONY COLLINS]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=style, width:300px; padding: 05px;][STYLE= background: url(http://i50.tinypic.com/2lks6mf.jpg); width: 100px; height: 100px; float: right; border-top-left-radius: 40px; border-bottom-right-radius: 40px; border-top: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-right: 25px;][/style][STYLE= width: 150px; font-fam: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; overflow: auto; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-left: 30px; text-indent: 05px; margin-top: 10px; line-height: 80%;]bite_me SAYS,[/style][STYLE= width: 180px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; margin-left: -10px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px;]• if you wanted a debate perhaps you should have been more clear. • although, i had come in planning to argue against your case, i ended up agreeing. • but that is besides the point as well, isn't it. • we might one day make the jump we need in the medical field that you desire, but whether it will be in our life time or generations from now is another question entirely. despite how much we have accomplished in this century alone, and as grand as it would be, i do not believe that we will be making such advancements any time soon. sadly, immortality is yet to be within our reach. • although..? nevermind what? • you believe that we might have access to those kinds of power right now? [/style][STYLE= text-align: center; width: 160px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px;] MADE BY CYANIDE CANDY ✖[/style]

[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]  → hm, i anticipated more disagreement, is all. well, i also anticipated the rest of the bayesians to chime in.   → it is only a tuesday night i suppose   → hm, just something i read while i was working at the pppl this past summer. how there are machines like the antikythera mechanism that ran on a power source we can't identify, and how if we could, we could change the face of the world.   → it's fascinating to consider what the ancient world might have known that we don't, currently.[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]

[BRYONY COLLINS]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=style, width:300px; padding: 05px;][STYLE= background: url(http://i50.tinypic.com/2lks6mf.jpg); width: 100px; height: 100px; float: right; border-top-left-radius: 40px; border-bottom-right-radius: 40px; border-top: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-right: 25px;][/style][STYLE= width: 150px; font-fam: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; overflow: auto; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-left: 30px; text-indent: 05px; margin-top: 10px; line-height: 80%;]bite_me SAYS,[/style][STYLE= width: 180px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; margin-left: -10px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px;]• the night is still young. you might find someone to disagree with you yet. • the pppl? you actually worked there?.. you're right. if we could find and harnass the power used back then or even a new power than there is much that we could change for the greater good. the possibilities are endless. • if only we could have been alive back then, to know the secrets that the ancient world held. what an honor it would be. • but i must be boring you. you want a debate, so i shall step down and let someone else take the board. it was a pleasure talking with you ultraviolentcolorblind. [/style][STYLE= text-align: center; width: 160px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px;] MADE BY CYANIDE CANDY ✖[/style]

[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]  → wait, bite_me.   → before you log off.   → what would you give up, for the chance to make everything better for everyone?   → if someone said to you, for the deaths of one hundred people, i would save the lives of six point nine billion   → would you kill those hundred people?[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]

[BRYONY COLLINS]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=style, width:300px; padding: 05px;][STYLE= background: url(http://i50.tinypic.com/2lks6mf.jpg); width: 100px; height: 100px; float: right; border-top-left-radius: 40px; border-bottom-right-radius: 40px; border-top: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-right: 25px;][/style][STYLE= width: 150px; font-fam: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; overflow: auto; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-left: 30px; text-indent: 05px; margin-top: 10px; line-height: 80%;]bite_me SAYS,[/style][STYLE= width: 180px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; margin-left: -10px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px;]• you ask a hard question. • but then again, it's not really hard to answer. • for anything great there has to be sacrifice. if there was the chance to make everyone's lives better, it would never come without its own share of consequences. in this case, while the consequence is high, the deaths of a hundred possibly innocent lives being a terrible one no matter the situation, what would be received in return would be worth it, would it not? what would be the point in saving a hundred only to also loose the six point nine billion in the process, or if not lose, then prevent something great from coming about for them. • so, if i were given the choice, yes. i would kill the hundred to save the many other lives out there. [/style][STYLE= text-align: center; width: 160px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px;] MADE BY CYANIDE CANDY ✖[/style]

[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]  → i'm so glad you said that.   → i actually thought that as well.   → for the lives of 6.9 billion the sacrifice of one hundred or even one thousand lives is nothing.   → thank you for your reassurance. you can go now if you like.[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]

[BRYONY COLLINS]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=style, width:300px; padding: 05px;][STYLE= background: url(http://i50.tinypic.com/2lks6mf.jpg); width: 100px; height: 100px; float: right; border-top-left-radius: 40px; border-bottom-right-radius: 40px; border-top: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-right: 25px;][/style][STYLE= width: 150px; font-fam: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; overflow: auto; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-left: 30px; text-indent: 05px; margin-top: 10px; line-height: 80%;]bite_me SAYS,[/style][STYLE= width: 180px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; margin-left: -10px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px;]• reassurance? • i am curious as to why you asked in the first place, but I wont question it. i'm glad we're on the same page. my answer, to me, seems to be the most logical one. if you had the chance to do something great, if it benefited everyone, how could you not give up whatever/ do whatever you had to to accomplish that goal? • that is just my opinion though. i'm sure there are many who would never agree with us on this. • i think i'd much rather stay at this point, but as i said before i will go and let someone else jump in. • perhaps we will talk again. [/style][STYLE= text-align: center; width: 160px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px;] MADE BY CYANIDE CANDY ✖[/style]

[LUNE DUPONT]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=width,300px][atrb=style,padding:5px;,true] [STYLE=background-image:url(http://i.imgur.com/QaFWb.png); border-radius:10px; -moz-border-radius:10px; width:75px; height:75px; float:left;] [/style] MOONY IS ONLINE ( status: exhausted. ) [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; border-radius:10px; -moz-border-radius:10px; text-align:justify; border-top:5px solid #000000; padding:10px; border-bottom:5px solid #000000;]> I'm concerned as to why you would ever ask such a question, too. > I've been looking at this forum, and it's an interesting topic but... > 100 lives for the sake of more than billion? > That seems a bit hopeless to me, and if that's the idea we're running by, then who's to say that society won't eventually progress to 6.9 billion for 15 billion. Hypothetically speaking. >Start running the wrong way, and you never stop. >Feel free to call me one of those that don't agree with you, but surely if it comes down to it, there must be another solution? > Nothing is great enough for an unwilling sacrifice. > Call me hopeful, but what's stopping you from saving the hundred and the 6.9 billion?[/style]

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[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]  → i'm not trying to send you off, bite_me--do you mind if i save your username for later? it sounds like we could have some pretty intelligent conversation. if not, that's fine and i hope to see you back at bayesians soon   → moony-- 6.9 billion is still significantly less than 15 billion, and in the hypothetical we're discussing, if we don't act all 21.9 billion persons will die. perhaps not right then, but eventually.   → in this hypothetical, there is no solution but the one requiring the sacrifice of the 100 for the 6.9 billion   → or, there is. but the ones in possession of it have always been rather selfish, and unwilling to share their power with those they see as "lesser". they leave those with drive to find ways around them. the ones with the power could do something, but they don't. they haven't. and if my study is right, they never will   → sometimes to get around those in power   → people have to die   → it's not pessimistic, it's just a fact of life.[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]

[BRYONY COLLINS]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=style, width:300px; padding: 05px;][STYLE= background: url(http://i50.tinypic.com/2lks6mf.jpg); width: 100px; height: 100px; float: right; border-top-left-radius: 40px; border-bottom-right-radius: 40px; border-top: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-right: 25px;][/style][STYLE= width: 150px; font-fam: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; overflow: auto; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; margin-left: 30px; text-indent: 05px; margin-top: 10px; line-height: 80%;]bite_me SAYS,[/style][STYLE= width: 180px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px; text-align: justify; padding: 02px; margin-left: -10px; border-bottom: #cccccc solid 05px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px;]• alright, i'll stay. and i don't mind at all, i'll save yours as well. i'd very much like to keep in touch. • and speaking of people who will disagree with us... • moony- you don't believe in sacrifice for the greater good? how come? one hundred lives for the sake of six point nine billion seems more than fair in the end. it might be possible to save both sets, but who's to say another solution would be found in time? also, i stick by what i said earlier. for anything great there has to be sacrifice. it is just how that tune usually goes. and really, a single hundred compared to the billions isn't a major loss. it is sad, yes, but their lives were not sacrificed in vain. • ultraviolent- there is another solution? care to explain what that is? [/style][STYLE= text-align: center; width: 160px; font-family: tahoma; font-size: 10px;] MADE BY CYANIDE CANDY ✖[/style]

[LUNE DUPONT]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=width,300px][atrb=style,padding:5px;,true] [STYLE=background-image:url(http://i.imgur.com/QaFWb.png); border-radius:10px; -moz-border-radius:10px; width:75px; height:75px; float:left;] [/style] MOONY IS ONLINE ( status: exhausted. ) [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; border-radius:10px; -moz-border-radius:10px; text-align:justify; border-top:5px solid #000000; padding:10px; border-bottom:5px solid #000000;]> but that's just it, right? you've said there is another solution that doesn't involve slaughtering one hundred unwilling people. these leaders might be selfish and initially unwilling. > again, this might be hopeful speaking, but sometimes to get around those in power you have take up leadership for yourself and create a change. > yes, their lives were sacrificed in vain if they were subjected into unwillingly giving their lives. i'm almost tempted to apply the term murder, to be honest. i completely believe in sacrifice for the greater good, but not by those means.[/style]

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[CARSON TOKUNO]

[atrb=border,0,true][atrb=cellspacing,0px,true][atrb=cellpadding,20px,true][atrb=width,475px,true][atrb=valign,top,true] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; padding:5px; text-align:center; font-size:11px; width:100px; float:left;] ipsa scientia potestas est[/style] [STYLE=font-family:georgia; color:#755D87; font-style:italic; padding:5px; margin:-20px 0px -30px 115px;]ultraviolentcolorblind typed,[/style] [STYLE=background-color:#eaeaea; color:#111111; text-align:justify; padding:10px; margin-left:115px; border:2px solid #ffffff;]  → thanks, bite_me--next time i want a mature discussion i'll hit you up.   → no sarcasm hand.   → i agree that sometimes you have to go around those in power to make a chance, but even if you do it's not guaranteed to be a bloodless one. there has never, not even once, in the history of the world been a regime change that was bloodless. ghandi tried, but failed--the british would not have stopped without the pressure of the world behind him. the other solution i speak of is so incredibly unlikely to work, largely because of the people involved, that i don't think it's even worth discussing. it's somewhat like asking "but what if gravity did go the other way"--it'd take a damned miracle for it to happen.   → there isn't any pressure here and there never will be, because of people who think that their weak stomachs ought to define the future course of the world   → all revolutions require death, it's sad but true   → blood is the grease for the wheel of life.[/style] [STYLE=text-align:right; font-family:terminal; font-size:10px; color:#111111; margin-top:-15px;]designed by NOWAKI of back to neverland.[/style]